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		<title>By: NoMoneyNoMore</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-77760</link>
		<author>NoMoneyNoMore</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to be getting worse now folks.  After watching Vincent Brown last night on TV3 I don’t know if the Irish Banks will eventually fail or if the Euro will fail or the world is going to end.  Should we all have Stealing accounts or just by Dollars and put them out the back in the Shed/Ground.  Am I right in thinking no matter what happens all the currencies will be affected negatively as they all have assets tied up in Europe.  Could you keep your money in cash and then if a change over happens (Bank Freeze for 3 days) for Ireland then your cash is still at the rate of the Germans.  Maybe we should just by dollars and keep them in the pillow.  Any "update" advice on what to do with some savings would be very much appreciated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to be getting worse now folks.  After watching Vincent Brown last night on TV3 I don’t know if the Irish Banks will eventually fail or if the Euro will fail or the world is going to end.  Should we all have Stealing accounts or just by Dollars and put them out the back in the Shed/Ground.  Am I right in thinking no matter what happens all the currencies will be affected negatively as they all have assets tied up in Europe.  Could you keep your money in cash and then if a change over happens (Bank Freeze for 3 days) for Ireland then your cash is still at the rate of the Germans.  Maybe we should just by dollars and keep them in the pillow.  Any &#8220;update&#8221; advice on what to do with some savings would be very much appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jovao</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-77483</link>
		<author>Jovao</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 14:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear all, please pologies if i make any interruption here, im latino, i survive In Belgium and i wanna share information and ask OFFCOURSE.  Dear Connor, in really i dont understand why do you speak about belgium as a miracle. here we have to paid for all, in fact we are in the list of the most high level taxes; like SO Mnay people here i just try to save some cents out of thye hands of the goberment. BE SURE OF THIS, BELGIUM IS NOT THE PLACE FOR SAVE (if we are speaking about taxes) money. is a strong country but for the goberment, not for You. just check the list published by you, is not normall all what they ask for open a bank account; wherever the point is, just this week im searching information in 4 lenguage i i found something interesting (for some kind people) isla man, caiman islas look the most interest if do  you need open an account for save some cents out. here could be interesting for all you, but you speak english, someone told you what kind service can you recive when you dont spek any of the local lenguages ? anyway, my question Connor is, how do you know about the banks send the information about the non residents in almost all the counstries of the EU, so i have to ask, if a posible open an acoount in: ISLE of man, Andorra, Monaco and be 100% safe ? i just need get my data out of belgium, otherwise i have to pay for HAVE ANOTHER ACCOUNT OUT OF BELGIUM. i dont have thousands euros, in FACT, I DONT HAVE money, just like you and all the people here i wish save some cents think in the future, in my family and my chid, NOTHING ELSE. god burn the goberment, thanks you all !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear all, please pologies if i make any interruption here, im latino, i survive In Belgium and i wanna share information and ask OFFCOURSE.  Dear Connor, in really i dont understand why do you speak about belgium as a miracle. here we have to paid for all, in fact we are in the list of the most high level taxes; like SO Mnay people here i just try to save some cents out of thye hands of the goberment. BE SURE OF THIS, BELGIUM IS NOT THE PLACE FOR SAVE (if we are speaking about taxes) money. is a strong country but for the goberment, not for You. just check the list published by you, is not normall all what they ask for open a bank account; wherever the point is, just this week im searching information in 4 lenguage i i found something interesting (for some kind people) isla man, caiman islas look the most interest if do  you need open an account for save some cents out. here could be interesting for all you, but you speak english, someone told you what kind service can you recive when you dont spek any of the local lenguages ? anyway, my question Connor is, how do you know about the banks send the information about the non residents in almost all the counstries of the EU, so i have to ask, if a posible open an acoount in: ISLE of man, Andorra, Monaco and be 100% safe ? i just need get my data out of belgium, otherwise i have to pay for HAVE ANOTHER ACCOUNT OUT OF BELGIUM. i dont have thousands euros, in FACT, I DONT HAVE money, just like you and all the people here i wish save some cents think in the future, in my family and my chid, NOTHING ELSE. god burn the goberment, thanks you all !</p>
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		<title>By: Gabby</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-77221</link>
		<author>Gabby</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 00:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you've got friends living in Britain you can go into a British post office and open a savings account, giving your friends' address as yours. You can put a big opening deposit into it and then continue feeding the account while over there on hols and business trips. Otherwise keep your cash under the matress, with the usual risks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ve got friends living in Britain you can go into a British post office and open a savings account, giving your friends&#8217; address as yours. You can put a big opening deposit into it and then continue feeding the account while over there on hols and business trips. Otherwise keep your cash under the matress, with the usual risks.</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas T</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-77215</link>
		<author>Andreas T</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 10:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I’ve got a feeling that there are a lot of Irish people searching for this type of info"

and not only Irish...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve got a feeling that there are a lot of Irish people searching for this type of info&#8221;</p>
<p>and not only Irish&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76922</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 14:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update, bankomat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update, bankomat.</p>
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		<title>By: bankomat</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76921</link>
		<author>bankomat</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2011 13:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Belgium changed from withholding tax to exchange of information in 2010. Austria and Luxemburg are the only EU-countries that stick to the option of 35 % withholdin tax (up to 30-6-11 25 %)


http://deloitte.12hna.com/newsletters/2009/WTA/a091030_3.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belgium changed from withholding tax to exchange of information in 2010. Austria and Luxemburg are the only EU-countries that stick to the option of 35 % withholdin tax (up to 30-6-11 25 %)</p>
<p><a href="http://deloitte.12hna.com/newsletters/2009/WTA/a091030_3.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://deloitte.12hna.com/newsletters/2009/WTA/a091030_3.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76900</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 12:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven't a clue Mary Kate - the above is the extent of my knowledge of these things.

The one thing I will say, though, is that the moment you convert currency, you're into currency speculation. If up to now all you've been doing is putting your money into a deposit account - fixed-term, savings, etc - then you have to ask yourself: do I want to move into currency speculation?  I can't advise you on that. I'm not a currency trader. Nor do I gamble - which is what investec and  foreign currency saving accounts are really about. And, as with gambling, you should only 'invest' what you can afford to lose. 

If you are worried about the future state of Ireland's banking system, and, indeed, the possibility - however remote - of Ireland breaking with the Euro and reverting to the Punt - then NIB won't address those fears. Even though NIB is probably the safest bank in Ireland today, it is still subject to the laws of the land. And if NIB is told by the government to freeze accounts for three days while a new currency is brought in, then it will have to comply. 

I suppose what I'm saying is:

if you think Ireland's banking system is unsafe, then move your money out of the jurisdiction.

But if you think the Euro itself is unsafe, then change currency.

And, if you want to speculate on currency and asset fluctuations, then neither of the above matter because you're choosing to actively gamble with your savings. And because nobody can guarantee speculation, only speculate with what you can afford to lose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t a clue Mary Kate - the above is the extent of my knowledge of these things.</p>
<p>The one thing I will say, though, is that the moment you convert currency, you&#8217;re into currency speculation. If up to now all you&#8217;ve been doing is putting your money into a deposit account - fixed-term, savings, etc - then you have to ask yourself: do I want to move into currency speculation?  I can&#8217;t advise you on that. I&#8217;m not a currency trader. Nor do I gamble - which is what investec and  foreign currency saving accounts are really about. And, as with gambling, you should only &#8216;invest&#8217; what you can afford to lose. </p>
<p>If you are worried about the future state of Ireland&#8217;s banking system, and, indeed, the possibility - however remote - of Ireland breaking with the Euro and reverting to the Punt - then NIB won&#8217;t address those fears. Even though NIB is probably the safest bank in Ireland today, it is still subject to the laws of the land. And if NIB is told by the government to freeze accounts for three days while a new currency is brought in, then it will have to comply. </p>
<p>I suppose what I&#8217;m saying is:</p>
<p>if you think Ireland&#8217;s banking system is unsafe, then move your money out of the jurisdiction.</p>
<p>But if you think the Euro itself is unsafe, then change currency.</p>
<p>And, if you want to speculate on currency and asset fluctuations, then neither of the above matter because you&#8217;re choosing to actively gamble with your savings. And because nobody can guarantee speculation, only speculate with what you can afford to lose.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Kate</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76899</link>
		<author>Mary Kate</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 11:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Conor,
I will look into the above in the meantime.....

Where do I go looking for professional advice in relation to keeping my money safe as opposed to investing it in shares etc. What type of financial advisor should I choose? 

Also Investec, and NIB foreign currency accounts, how safe is my money with these in your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Conor,<br />
I will look into the above in the meantime&#8230;..</p>
<p>Where do I go looking for professional advice in relation to keeping my money safe as opposed to investing it in shares etc. What type of financial advisor should I choose? </p>
<p>Also Investec, and NIB foreign currency accounts, how safe is my money with these in your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76898</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 10:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing: if you are  looking for non-resident accounts on the web, the accounts with the most restrictions are current accounts - the banks want proof of residence in the country and proof of salary as well. But, if all you want is to deposit your money, with no card or related current account services, you'll find it a lot easier.

also, Rabobank is NOT a  non-resident account. Just because it's an internet account doesn't change that fact. It's as Irish as Enda Kenny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing: if you are  looking for non-resident accounts on the web, the accounts with the most restrictions are current accounts - the banks want proof of residence in the country and proof of salary as well. But, if all you want is to deposit your money, with no card or related current account services, you&#8217;ll find it a lot easier.</p>
<p>also, Rabobank is NOT a  non-resident account. Just because it&#8217;s an internet account doesn&#8217;t change that fact. It&#8217;s as Irish as Enda Kenny.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76897</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 10:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2011/04/29/how-to-open-a-non-resident-bank-account-in-belgium/#comment-76897</guid>
		<description>Hi Mary Kate,

I know very little about any of this. I put up this post, and wrote to ING in Belgium, out of curiosity. If you an afford it, get professional advice - the internet is the worst place to go looking for financial guidance.

This is what I have found out, though, in the course of writing this post:

there are no legal restrictions on opening up a non-resident savings account in the EU. now, this is not to say that it is a legal requirement that banks provide this service - many don't. They simply don't want the hassle of dealing with non-residents, which is also why those that do have a minimum deposit requirement - usually €20,000 to €25,000. If you have that level of savings, though, it shouldn't be a problem. Just pick a country which should withstand the shocks for a while, find a Ryanair flight which goes there, bring your passport and household bill, and you should be able to open an account there and then. It is best to email or ring for an appointment first, though, but remember, there is nothing illegal about opening up a non-resident account - it is HIGHLY illegal, though, to avoid paying tax on any interest gained from such an account. 

with the exception of Belgium and Luxembourg, once you open up a non-resident account anywhere in Europe, the bank is obliged to forward your details to your country of residence. what that means is, once the interest is paid on your account, you need to calculate how much tax is due on that in Ireland and then pay Revenue accordingly. Once you do that, you should be fine. Opening a non-resident account is not the crime - tax evasion is the crime.

If you want to stay with an English-speaking country, there's always Belfast of course. Or, you could open up a non-resident Euro savings account with Barclays Wealth in London. They want a deposit of at least €5,000. It's called the ibank saver account, and there are no monthly fees:

http://www.expat.barclays.com/ibank-saver/

Make sure you go to the London branch, though, as that is the one covered by the UK deposit guarantee. The banks in Isle of Man and Jersey are covered by the Isle of Man and Jersey.

similarly, you can go to one of the two Indian Banks in London - both of which are backed by the Indian State and the UK bank guarantee:

There's the bank of baroda:

https://www.bankofbarodauk.com/retail-banking/deposit-products/savings-accounts/

and the State Bank of India (this requires a deposit of €20,000):

http://www.sbiuk.com/account-opening-non-resident.aspx

Now, THIS IS JUST STUFF I HAVE FOUND ON THE INTERNET. KEEP THAT IN MIND. Depending on  your savings and financial position, you should get professional advice. And you need to work out if you want a deposit savings account or an investment account. with savings, it's a piggy bank, with an investment account, you're asking the bank/financial institution to invest in bonds, shares, etc on your behalf.

and again, always remember - THE INTERNET IS THE WORST PLACE IN THE WORLD FOR FINANCIAL OR MEDICAL ADVICE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mary Kate,</p>
<p>I know very little about any of this. I put up this post, and wrote to ING in Belgium, out of curiosity. If you an afford it, get professional advice - the internet is the worst place to go looking for financial guidance.</p>
<p>This is what I have found out, though, in the course of writing this post:</p>
<p>there are no legal restrictions on opening up a non-resident savings account in the EU. now, this is not to say that it is a legal requirement that banks provide this service - many don&#8217;t. They simply don&#8217;t want the hassle of dealing with non-residents, which is also why those that do have a minimum deposit requirement - usually €20,000 to €25,000. If you have that level of savings, though, it shouldn&#8217;t be a problem. Just pick a country which should withstand the shocks for a while, find a Ryanair flight which goes there, bring your passport and household bill, and you should be able to open an account there and then. It is best to email or ring for an appointment first, though, but remember, there is nothing illegal about opening up a non-resident account - it is HIGHLY illegal, though, to avoid paying tax on any interest gained from such an account. </p>
<p>with the exception of Belgium and Luxembourg, once you open up a non-resident account anywhere in Europe, the bank is obliged to forward your details to your country of residence. what that means is, once the interest is paid on your account, you need to calculate how much tax is due on that in Ireland and then pay Revenue accordingly. Once you do that, you should be fine. Opening a non-resident account is not the crime - tax evasion is the crime.</p>
<p>If you want to stay with an English-speaking country, there&#8217;s always Belfast of course. Or, you could open up a non-resident Euro savings account with Barclays Wealth in London. They want a deposit of at least €5,000. It&#8217;s called the ibank saver account, and there are no monthly fees:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.expat.barclays.com/ibank-saver/" rel="nofollow">http://www.expat.barclays.com/ibank-saver/</a></p>
<p>Make sure you go to the London branch, though, as that is the one covered by the UK deposit guarantee. The banks in Isle of Man and Jersey are covered by the Isle of Man and Jersey.</p>
<p>similarly, you can go to one of the two Indian Banks in London - both of which are backed by the Indian State and the UK bank guarantee:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s the bank of baroda:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bankofbarodauk.com/retail-banking/deposit-products/savings-accounts/" rel="nofollow">https://www.bankofbarodauk.com/retail-banking/deposit-products/savings-accounts/</a></p>
<p>and the State Bank of India (this requires a deposit of €20,000):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sbiuk.com/account-opening-non-resident.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.sbiuk.com/account-opening-non-resident.aspx</a></p>
<p>Now, THIS IS JUST STUFF I HAVE FOUND ON THE INTERNET. KEEP THAT IN MIND. Depending on  your savings and financial position, you should get professional advice. And you need to work out if you want a deposit savings account or an investment account. with savings, it&#8217;s a piggy bank, with an investment account, you&#8217;re asking the bank/financial institution to invest in bonds, shares, etc on your behalf.</p>
<p>and again, always remember - THE INTERNET IS THE WORST PLACE IN THE WORLD FOR FINANCIAL OR MEDICAL ADVICE.</p>
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