Comments on: The Timidity of the Irish Left/Liberal/Progressive http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/ It's a group blog. What more do you need to know? Thu, 24 May 2012 15:18:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Mervyn Crawford http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74689 Mervyn Crawford Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:15:57 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74689 Conor If it walks like duck and it talks like duck, then it's a duck! Maybe it's possible you are actually frustrated by your own shortsightedness? The unions, the 'lefts', the 'progressives' - all do well within this capitalist system, thank you. Why would they want to encourage it's overthrow? Mervyn Conor

If it walks like duck and it talks like duck, then it’s a duck!

Maybe it’s possible you are actually frustrated by your own shortsightedness?

The unions, the ‘lefts’, the ‘progressives’ - all do well within this capitalist system, thank you.
Why would they want to encourage it’s overthrow?
Mervyn

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74499 WorldbyStorm Wed, 08 Sep 2010 06:47:03 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74499 Definitely. I could make a case that part of that was the detachment of social democracy and socialism from Republicanism (in very broad terms) but it's not that Republicanism did any better (generally) at sorting it out theoretically or concretely. Definitely. I could make a case that part of that was the detachment of social democracy and socialism from Republicanism (in very broad terms) but it’s not that Republicanism did any better (generally) at sorting it out theoretically or concretely.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74497 Conor McCabe Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:39:12 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74497 I find it frustrating to read critiques of Irish society penned by people who have no real connection with our society, being used by the Left in Ireland. It should be the other way around. That's all I'm saying. I find it frustrating to read critiques of Irish society penned by people who have no real connection with our society, being used by the Left in Ireland. It should be the other way around. That’s all I’m saying.

]]> By: WorldbyStorm http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74491 WorldbyStorm Tue, 07 Sep 2010 17:02:46 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74491 Conor this is one area where I think you're dead right about the left hiding it's light under a bushel. There's no effort at all being made by the left institutionally to combat this stuff. None at all. One doesn't have to believe in a revolutionary moment occurring any time soon to know that if the LP - for example - articulated just how the S&P news is such poison and how it shows up the vacuity of the government's policies that that would strongly resonate. And this isn't restricted to the S&P stuff, but across the board in terms of the institutional elements of the left and the govt. Of course given that they're locked in through various mechanisms, most notably Croke Park and social partnership (even now)perhaps this quiet isn't so surprising. One wonders if a side protocol was 'we'll stop hitting you (the unions and the PS in particular) but stay schtum about our approach'. Conor this is one area where I think you’re dead right about the left hiding it’s light under a bushel. There’s no effort at all being made by the left institutionally to combat this stuff. None at all. One doesn’t have to believe in a revolutionary moment occurring any time soon to know that if the LP - for example - articulated just how the S&P news is such poison and how it shows up the vacuity of the government’s policies that that would strongly resonate.

And this isn’t restricted to the S&P stuff, but across the board in terms of the institutional elements of the left and the govt. Of course given that they’re locked in through various mechanisms, most notably Croke Park and social partnership (even now)perhaps this quiet isn’t so surprising. One wonders if a side protocol was ‘we’ll stop hitting you (the unions and the PS in particular) but stay schtum about our approach’.

]]> By: Ciaran O'Brien http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74462 Ciaran O'Brien Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:46:51 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74462 Mary, if you don't like Eirigi fair enough, but surely the fact that it was mainly them protesting means the mainstream left is letting the side down? I get the impression that most Irish Labour TDs are so dazzled by New Labour's success that they couldn't care less what Blair did in Iraq. Mary, if you don’t like Eirigi fair enough, but surely the fact that it was mainly them protesting means the mainstream left is letting the side down? I get the impression that most Irish Labour TDs are so dazzled by New Labour’s success that they couldn’t care less what Blair did in Iraq.

]]> By: Seán Báite http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74460 Seán Báite Mon, 06 Sep 2010 15:19:47 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74460 A nearby skip perhaps Mary ?? Ah shite - I forgot that the Building industry had become extinct... A nearby skip perhaps Mary ??
Ah shite - I forgot that the Building industry had become extinct…

]]> By: mary lilliputian http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74449 mary lilliputian Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:16:24 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74449 It's easy to recategorise the book in Easons. I'm having difficulty with reorganising Blair's books in Hodges & Figgis in Dawson Street. They are everywhere and in such large quantities. Has anyone any ideas? It’s easy to recategorise the book in Easons. I’m having difficulty with reorganising Blair’s books in Hodges & Figgis in Dawson Street. They are everywhere and in such large quantities. Has anyone any ideas?

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74444 Conor McCabe Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:17:52 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74444 I'll hit the local store later on. no prob. I’ll hit the local store later on. no prob.

]]> By: mary lilliputian http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74443 mary lilliputian Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:00:42 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74443 thanks Conor but what I really want is for you to leg it into town and do the same! thanks Conor but what I really want is for you to leg it into town and do the same!

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74442 Conor McCabe Sun, 05 Sep 2010 10:53:49 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/09/03/the-timidity-of-the-irish-leftliberalprogressive/#comment-74442 haha! Brilliant. Well done Mary. haha! Brilliant. Well done Mary.

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