Comments on: Irish Yeomen in the 18th Century http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/ It's a group blog. What more do you need to know? Thu, 24 May 2012 10:39:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: ec http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73902 ec Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:27:35 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73902 No worries Sean. Well I wasn't pastiching them - I'm interested in them all right and reading all that's published so maybe some of the themes were on my mind - I really like the attempts on the blog to link sociology and irish linked tunes - so maybe I'm in that frame of mind too. I'm a little music/personal history obsessed at present due to stuff I'm writing (forgive me if I started rambling) and I didn't make any of that shit up. Just thought it was interesting, in the context of the discussion, that I got my taste for music from a mix of immigrants and returned emigrants. There were a whole lot of us in my peer group who that held for. As for mad cow beef. This REALLY sounds like a tall tale but the Mad Cow scare broke out within a three minute walk of the house where I was brought up. At least I can look that up in newspaper archives to convince myself that it actually happened. I got a little paranoid myself visiting the folks round then as there were ET style checkpoints at every crossing in all directions and they were chasing every living thing up to the tops of the mountains and offing them. No worries Sean. Well I wasn’t pastiching them - I’m interested in them all right and reading all that’s published so maybe some of the themes were on my mind - I really like the attempts on the blog to link sociology and irish linked tunes - so maybe I’m in that frame of mind too.

I’m a little music/personal history obsessed at present due to stuff I’m writing (forgive me if I started rambling) and I didn’t make any of that shit up. Just thought it was interesting, in the context of the discussion, that I got my taste for music from a mix of immigrants and returned emigrants. There were a whole lot of us in my peer group who that held for.

As for mad cow beef. This REALLY sounds like a tall tale but the Mad Cow scare broke out within a three minute walk of the house where I was brought up. At least I can look that up in newspaper archives to convince myself that it actually happened. I got a little paranoid myself visiting the folks round then as there were ET style checkpoints at every crossing in all directions and they were chasing every living thing up to the tops of the mountains and offing them.

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]]> By: ec http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73899 ec Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:20:51 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73899 All I ever learned from goodman for what it's worth was that port officials would turn a blind eye to crowds of kids putting new labels on boxes of beef destined for iraqi ships. The instructions we had were - 'add 2kg to the weight and 2 years to the sell by date'. All I ever learned from goodman for what it’s worth was that port officials would turn a blind eye to crowds of kids putting new labels on boxes of beef destined for iraqi ships. The instructions we had were - ‘add 2kg to the weight and 2 years to the sell by date’.

]]> By: ec http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73898 ec Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:13:20 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73898 Thanks sean for the crit. would love to know what u think I'm hacking/pasting/pastiching above. there is a big load of mountains between where i was brought up and carlingford lough. the cooley penninsula is a big place. and where i was tucked in under the mountains there was and is no bbc reception - tv or radio . Thanks sean for the crit. would love to know what u think I’m hacking/pasting/pastiching above. there is a big load of mountains between where i was brought up and carlingford lough. the cooley penninsula is a big place. and where i was tucked in under the mountains there was and is no bbc reception - tv or radio .

]]> By: Seán Báite http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73897 Seán Báite Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:20:10 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73897 Did you learn that 'hack and paste' pastiche style chez Goodman too EC ?? You should've been able to pick up the BBC through your braces/fillings in the Cooley - from just across the Lough... Ye wouldn't even have needed a coat hanger. Did you learn that ‘hack and paste’ pastiche style chez Goodman too EC ??
You should’ve been able to pick up the BBC through your braces/fillings in the Cooley - from just across the Lough…
Ye wouldn’t even have needed a coat hanger.

]]> By: ec http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73893 ec Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:44:09 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73893 Funny the Smiths always remind me of cows and farmland. I first heard them when a friend gota a cassette of the kind of compilation that included the song above and 'Hand in Glove'. We were country boys - not farmers but brought up in the midst of cow farming on the Cooley penninsula. One of us got a walkman at the time and I absolutely remember us venturing over fields - heading for 'Collie the Robber's Cave' on one of the peaks in the area - listening to Morrissey. My friend and I's other enthusiasm at the time was Bronski Beat. The gay references went WAYYY over our heads as we were 14-15 at the time with no BBC and nobody telling us about the world and its ways. I still remember him dressing up in head to toe bronski beat style for teenage discos at the time. We got a bit alternative in our tastes and it is strange to remember that this was quite directly as a result of three other kids around us in school in the town at the time. One was a Pakistani guy who somehow had moved to dundalk with his family from the UK. He had an endless stream of Fall tapes. The two others had spent a significant part of their youths in the UK - one in Leeds - the other I don't remember where - as the kids of working class irish emigrants. One - Mickey - was MAD into psychobilly music and had seen some of the bands on TV in England before moving to Dundalk and we got the Cramps from him. Fergal and his big brother were Punks. They had Conflict albums and stuff like that and made me tapes of the Sex Pistols. This music - particularly outside any knowledge of the BBC / music papers / what subcultures were was absolutely other-worldly. Funnily enough my brother and me got our first real self-selected records at pretty much that time through money we got for doing a very dirty job for Larry Goodman just around then. One of our neighbours was the 'Nobby' who O'Toole writes about in the first chapter of 'Meanwhile Back at the Ranch'. He hired us. Funny the Smiths always remind me of cows and farmland. I first heard them when a friend gota a cassette of the kind of compilation that included the song above and ‘Hand in Glove’. We were country boys - not farmers but brought up in the midst of cow farming on the Cooley penninsula. One of us got a walkman at the time and I absolutely remember us venturing over fields - heading for ‘Collie the Robber’s Cave’ on one of the peaks in the area - listening to Morrissey. My friend and I’s other enthusiasm at the time was Bronski Beat. The gay references went WAYYY over our heads as we were 14-15 at the time with no BBC and nobody telling us about the world and its ways. I still remember him dressing up in head to toe bronski beat style for teenage discos at the time. We got a bit alternative in our tastes and it is strange to remember that this was quite directly as a result of three other kids around us in school in the town at the time.

One was a Pakistani guy who somehow had moved to dundalk with his family from the UK. He had an endless stream of Fall tapes. The two others had spent a significant part of their youths in the UK - one in Leeds - the other I don’t remember where - as the kids of working class irish emigrants. One - Mickey - was MAD into psychobilly music and had seen some of the bands on TV in England before moving to Dundalk and we got the Cramps from him. Fergal and his big brother were Punks. They had Conflict albums and stuff like that and made me tapes of the Sex Pistols. This music - particularly outside any knowledge of the BBC / music papers / what subcultures were was absolutely other-worldly.

Funnily enough my brother and me got our first real self-selected records at pretty much that time through money we got for doing a very dirty job for Larry Goodman just around then. One of our neighbours was the ‘Nobby’ who O’Toole writes about in the first chapter of ‘Meanwhile Back at the Ranch’. He hired us.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73889 Conor McCabe Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:34:48 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73889 Well this is what I'm planning <img src="http://www.irishlabour.com/dublinopinion/homer01.jpg" alt="Conor's Big Book Plan" /> But I'll probably end up with this <img src="http://www.irishlabour.com/dublinopinion/homer02.gif" alt="Conor's Big Book" /> Well this is what I’m planning

Conor's Big Book Plan

But I’ll probably end up with this

Conor's Big Book

]]> By: Hugh Green http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73888 Hugh Green Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:14:40 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73888 Yeah, I would echo Michael's comments. Am really looking forward to the book. Yeah, I would echo Michael’s comments. Am really looking forward to the book.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73887 Conor McCabe Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:42:54 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73887 Thanks Michael. The stuff that they want to privatise is surplus to the needs of that comprador class - the financiers, estate agents and builders - but the hundreds of thousands who had to emigrate since 1922 were surplus to their needs as well. and now they are coming onto TV telling us that emigration is a rite of passage! They have killed our economy. We don't need them. And really, at this stage, we should just tell them to fuck off. Have to laugh at the Greens. They want an economy which runs in tandem with nature. The idea of having an economy which also runs in tandem with society, in tandem with ordinary people - well, that seems to have passed them by. Thanks Michael. The stuff that they want to privatise is surplus to the needs of that comprador class - the financiers, estate agents and builders - but the hundreds of thousands who had to emigrate since 1922 were surplus to their needs as well. and now they are coming onto TV telling us that emigration is a rite of passage! They have killed our economy. We don’t need them. And really, at this stage, we should just tell them to fuck off.

Have to laugh at the Greens. They want an economy which runs in tandem with nature. The idea of having an economy which also runs in tandem with society, in tandem with ordinary people - well, that seems to have passed them by.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73886 Conor McCabe Thu, 29 Jul 2010 08:35:40 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/07/28/irish-yeomen-in-the-18th-century/#comment-73886 haha! Hadn't thought of that. They were milking dem royalties, weren't they? :) Never heard of Henry Green. Thanks for the up. haha! Hadn’t thought of that. They were milking dem royalties, weren’t they? :)

Never heard of Henry Green. Thanks for the up.

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