Comments on: DISTRICT 9 - IN DUBLIN 9 ?? http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/ It's a group blog. What more do you need to know? Thu, 24 May 2012 03:16:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72167 Conor McCabe Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:07:19 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72167 The 27 Aug 1976 Irish Times article where Roddy Connolly mentions that Lenin spoke English with a Rathmines accent is available here: http://www.irishlabour.com/dublinopinion/roddy-connolly-1976.jpg I've underlined in red the part where the story is recalled. The 27 Aug 1976 Irish Times article where Roddy Connolly mentions that Lenin spoke English with a Rathmines accent is available here:

http://www.irishlabour.com/dublinopinion/roddy-connolly-1976.jpg

I’ve underlined in red the part where the story is recalled.

]]> By: Sean Baite http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72162 Sean Baite Thu, 11 Feb 2010 12:27:36 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72162 Disgracedminister - I think I was spotted at a few linguistics lectures during my college years - but I've retained precious little of it. I think I'm fairly expert in the practice of "t" droppage and turning every "th" into a simple "t". Have completely forgotten the IPA though, sadly. Is there a link between 'idiocy' and 'ideolects' as, if so, I should be fairly proficient in ideolects also... :-) Is Dublinese an 'ideolect' ? Strangely enough, in the District 9 clip, I'm not too sure if Copley gets it 'wrong' but I'm almost sure the nasty mercenary type character pronounces the word in question in the Aussie fashion (one of the examples you give). Anyhow - glad to hear linguistics helps the unemployment. Am suffering from the same dose myself at the moment. Good luck in finding your way back into a cabinet somewhere :-) Conor - Roddy Connolly eh ?? So it was a case of 'De son' rather than 'De brudder'.... Disgracedminister - I think I was spotted at a few linguistics lectures during my college years - but I’ve retained precious little of it. I think I’m fairly expert in the practice of “t” droppage and turning every “th” into a simple “t”. Have completely forgotten the IPA though, sadly.
Is there a link between ‘idiocy’ and ‘ideolects’ as, if so, I should be fairly proficient in ideolects also… :-) Is Dublinese an ‘ideolect’ ?

Strangely enough, in the District 9 clip, I’m not too sure if Copley gets it ‘wrong’ but I’m almost sure the nasty mercenary type character pronounces the word in question in the Aussie fashion (one of the examples you give).

Anyhow - glad to hear linguistics helps the unemployment. Am suffering from the same dose myself at the moment. Good luck in finding your way back into a cabinet somewhere :-)

Conor - Roddy Connolly eh ?? So it was a case of ‘De son’ rather than ‘De brudder’….

]]> By: Disgracedminister http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72135 Disgracedminister Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:06:32 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72135 hmmmmm best way to to tell is to compare it on an IPA chart. There is usually a pronounced shift in the vowel sound from the back of the mouth to the front, or maybe a rounded vowel instead of an open vowel. Don't even start with me on "t" droppage. example 1. [f?k] - i think is the dublin dialect which from the back of your mouth and is rounded. [fak] - would be the australian one with the sound coming from the front of your mouth and your lips unrounded. Actually from the looks of the dialects chart on wikipedia, if it's correct, and it probably isn't, the actor got the word "wrong". I say "wrong" because it's always based on some sort of self-reflective sense of accent, which only those from a particular dialect can distinguish. If you really are interested in this you should look up the idea of language. My favourite is the idea of ideolects, which are distinguished amongst dialects, which in turn distinguished by languages, and finally you have the basic grammar and structure which all languages are supposed to share: some form of subject, object, verb combination, syntax. Chomsky puts it for English in phrase structure rules - Subject -> NounPhrase VerbPhrase. Anyway I enjoy the blog so I'm glad I got to go completely nerdy on something, helps the unemployment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_chart_for_English_dialects hmmmmm best way to to tell is to compare it on an IPA chart.

There is usually a pronounced shift in the vowel sound from the back of the mouth to the front, or maybe a rounded vowel instead of an open vowel. Don’t even start with me on “t” droppage.

example 1. [f?k] - i think is the dublin dialect which from the back of your mouth and is rounded.
[fak] - would be the australian one with the sound coming from the front of your mouth and your lips unrounded.

Actually from the looks of the dialects chart on wikipedia, if it’s correct, and it probably isn’t, the actor got the word “wrong”. I say “wrong” because it’s always based on some sort of self-reflective sense of accent, which only those from a particular dialect can distinguish.

If you really are interested in this you should look up the idea of language. My favourite is the idea of ideolects, which are distinguished amongst dialects, which in turn distinguished by languages, and finally you have the basic grammar and structure which all languages are supposed to share: some form of subject, object, verb combination, syntax. Chomsky puts it for English in phrase structure rules - Subject -> NounPhrase VerbPhrase.

Anyway I enjoy the blog so I’m glad I got to go completely nerdy on something, helps the unemployment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPA_chart_for_English_dialects

]]> By: Donagh http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72120 Donagh Fri, 05 Feb 2010 00:14:57 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72120 I haven't seen District 9 yet. but that is very funny. It's like over-hearing some Dublin lad who after a night out in the pub manages to break his key in his front door. "fook, fook, fook, fook, the stupid fookin' fook........FOOOOOK." I haven’t seen District 9 yet. but that is very funny. It’s like over-hearing some Dublin lad who after a night out in the pub manages to break his key in his front door. “fook, fook, fook, fook, the stupid fookin’ fook……..FOOOOOK.”

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72118 Conor McCabe Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:04:42 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72118 Oh, the Lenin with a Rathmines accent comes from Roddy Connolly no less, son of James, who met Lenin in Moscow in 1920. Oh, the Lenin with a Rathmines accent comes from Roddy Connolly no less, son of James, who met Lenin in Moscow in 1920.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72117 Conor McCabe Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:02:39 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72117 Myself and Ciarán Finnegan went to see District 9 in Cineworld on Parnell St and everytime Wikus said "fook" or "fooking 'ell" we all just laughed in recognition. (The "we" being the audience). Myself and Ciarán Finnegan went to see District 9 in Cineworld on Parnell St and everytime Wikus said “fook” or “fooking ‘ell” we all just laughed in recognition. (The “we” being the audience).

]]> By: Sean Baite http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72115 Sean Baite Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:55:36 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72115 Ta for having done more research than me, Jay... McInally must have his tongue firmly in his cheek describing Lenin as a <i> fellow socialist </i> of our beloved Bertie. They'll be claiming Lenin as a Man U fan next... Ta for having done more research than me, Jay… McInally must have his tongue firmly in his cheek describing Lenin as a fellow socialist of our beloved Bertie.
They’ll be claiming Lenin as a Man U fan next…

]]> By: Jay Carax http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72114 Jay Carax Thu, 04 Feb 2010 10:08:39 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2010/02/04/district-9-in-dublin-9/#comment-72114 Regarding the Lenin story, it cropped up in The Irish Times in October 2009: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1023/1224257294631.html Regarding the Lenin story, it cropped up in The Irish Times in October 2009:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/1023/1224257294631.html

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