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	<title>Comments on: IRISH TIMES, CHEERLEADERS FOR SPECULATION</title>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2009/06/18/irish-times-cheerleaders-for-speculation/#comment-70312</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone should tell they guy or gal that the Berlin Wall came down twenty years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone should tell they guy or gal that the Berlin Wall came down twenty years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2009/06/18/irish-times-cheerleaders-for-speculation/#comment-70310</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The responses from journalists and editors on the accusation of cheerleading is interesting. The following is taken from the recent Media Bite article &lt;a href="http://www.mediabite.org/article_Don-t-Shoot-the-Messenger-%EF%BF%BD-Part-2_378477360.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Don't Shoot the Messenger&lt;/a&gt;, which we pointed to recently on ILR: 

Over the last year or so we have been in contact with a number of journalists from Ireland's broadsheets, seeking their views on the media / property relationship. We asked why the issue has been ignored and suggested that the topic deserved open discussion - that perhaps it pointed towards a deeper issue of compromise between funding and journalism. Surprisingly, and without exception, journalists agreed that this was indeed an unhealthy relationship.

Although we have agreed not to make these conversations public, we thought it was worth sharing some of these media insider thoughts with you. Though the authority is somewhat lost given the anonymous nature of these quotes, they are nonetheless valuable insights and admissions.

Reacting to our point that “the Irish media is deeply complicit in the financial crisis, by virtue of its self-evident vested interest in the speculative bubble,” one journalist had this to say:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"These are compelling points...Your media criticism is particularly valid...The media was complicit: I cannot defend it. We bought into the myth too, and the ad revenues were not the only reason, although I am sure they were a factor."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

another responded:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"I [have] made the very point about the media's, and particularly the Irish Times', role in this cheerleading. But no one ran with that particular ball. Why? Because the Times was about to plough its cash into guess what - my home.ie!"&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and another:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"There is for sure (or there can be) an uncomfortable relationship between advertisers and journalists but in here, there’s a Berlin Wall between editorial and commercial."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Commenting on one of the deluge of articles about opportunities for overseas property buyers, one journalist explained their predicament:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"All in all, I accept that we, like almost every other media outlet, have given acres and acres over the years to property and, for want of a better expression, ‘boom talk’, but for the most part, we’re just the messenger…Where I think there are difficulties for media is in the question of by reporting matters to what extent, if any, is one promoting the subject being reported? I don’t know the answer to that one – it’s the journalists’ chicken and egg question; the best I can say is that one should report matters soberly and not sensationalise them… but we’ll never get it wholly right."&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And another responded on the failure to identify the warning signs:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"I don't think people were either unaware or unwilling to comment. In the professional circles of economics and finance these issues were from '07 on anyhow well aired, analysed and discussed. However, one of the characteristics of any bubble is that we all, to a greater or lesser extent, get caught up in same. Now, the job of newspapers is ultimately to sell newspapers - if you cry stinking fish stinking fish then few will purchase...So, was I wrong then? Yes, in retrospect. As new information comes I adapt my views."&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The responses from journalists and editors on the accusation of cheerleading is interesting. The following is taken from the recent Media Bite article <a href="http://www.mediabite.org/article_Don-t-Shoot-the-Messenger-%EF%BF%BD-Part-2_378477360.html" rel="nofollow">Don&#8217;t Shoot the Messenger</a>, which we pointed to recently on ILR: </p>
<p>Over the last year or so we have been in contact with a number of journalists from Ireland&#8217;s broadsheets, seeking their views on the media / property relationship. We asked why the issue has been ignored and suggested that the topic deserved open discussion - that perhaps it pointed towards a deeper issue of compromise between funding and journalism. Surprisingly, and without exception, journalists agreed that this was indeed an unhealthy relationship.</p>
<p>Although we have agreed not to make these conversations public, we thought it was worth sharing some of these media insider thoughts with you. Though the authority is somewhat lost given the anonymous nature of these quotes, they are nonetheless valuable insights and admissions.</p>
<p>Reacting to our point that “the Irish media is deeply complicit in the financial crisis, by virtue of its self-evident vested interest in the speculative bubble,” one journalist had this to say:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;These are compelling points&#8230;Your media criticism is particularly valid&#8230;The media was complicit: I cannot defend it. We bought into the myth too, and the ad revenues were not the only reason, although I am sure they were a factor.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>another responded:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I [have] made the very point about the media&#8217;s, and particularly the Irish Times&#8217;, role in this cheerleading. But no one ran with that particular ball. Why? Because the Times was about to plough its cash into guess what - my home.ie!&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>and another:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;There is for sure (or there can be) an uncomfortable relationship between advertisers and journalists but in here, there’s a Berlin Wall between editorial and commercial.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Commenting on one of the deluge of articles about opportunities for overseas property buyers, one journalist explained their predicament:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;All in all, I accept that we, like almost every other media outlet, have given acres and acres over the years to property and, for want of a better expression, ‘boom talk’, but for the most part, we’re just the messenger…Where I think there are difficulties for media is in the question of by reporting matters to what extent, if any, is one promoting the subject being reported? I don’t know the answer to that one – it’s the journalists’ chicken and egg question; the best I can say is that one should report matters soberly and not sensationalise them… but we’ll never get it wholly right.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>And another responded on the failure to identify the warning signs:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t think people were either unaware or unwilling to comment. In the professional circles of economics and finance these issues were from &#8216;07 on anyhow well aired, analysed and discussed. However, one of the characteristics of any bubble is that we all, to a greater or lesser extent, get caught up in same. Now, the job of newspapers is ultimately to sell newspapers - if you cry stinking fish stinking fish then few will purchase&#8230;So, was I wrong then? Yes, in retrospect. As new information comes I adapt my views.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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