Comments on: VINCENT BROWNE SHOW, 1998: SPECIAL ON 1798 REBELLION http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/ It's a group blog. What more do you need to know? Tue, 22 May 2012 22:04:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Garibaldy http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68745 Garibaldy Tue, 28 Oct 2008 11:07:08 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68745 Look forward to hearing your thoughts on it. Look forward to hearing your thoughts on it.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68742 Conor McCabe Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:45:37 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68742 Haven't seen it yet as I was working the last night it was on. It's on tomorrow, though, so I'll try to catch it then. I haven't heard of the actual claims it's making, only comments from other people about a "one great push and the world was ours" analysis, but I suppose it's hard to talk of a united left plan after the Carrigan tribunal, although the Rotunda occupation was roughly contemporaneous. Haven’t seen it yet as I was working the last night it was on. It’s on tomorrow, though, so I’ll try to catch it then. I haven’t heard of the actual claims it’s making, only comments from other people about a “one great push and the world was ours” analysis, but I suppose it’s hard to talk of a united left plan after the Carrigan tribunal, although the Rotunda occupation was roughly contemporaneous.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68741 Garibaldy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:07:42 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68741 Indeed. Watched that Soviet na hÉireann thing. I'd like to have heard Tom Dunne's response to that. I have to say I thought its grasp on the real possibilities at the time was somewhat tenuous. Indeed. Watched that Soviet na hÉireann thing. I’d like to have heard Tom Dunne’s response to that. I have to say I thought its grasp on the real possibilities at the time was somewhat tenuous.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68740 Conor McCabe Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:25:10 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68740 Yeah I must go back to it again. The period itself is fascinating as well. Such a rich part of our history. Yeah I must go back to it again. The period itself is fascinating as well. Such a rich part of our history.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68739 Garibaldy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:02:03 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68739 I thought Dunne's book was a great critique of the way the government has been abusing the past. Though I wouldn't agree with everything he says by any means. I think he and Elliott are determined to keep everything in a fairly simplistic sectarian framework. Which is as ahistorical as the version they criticised. I thought Dunne’s book was a great critique of the way the government has been abusing the past. Though I wouldn’t agree with everything he says by any means. I think he and Elliott are determined to keep everything in a fairly simplistic sectarian framework. Which is as ahistorical as the version they criticised.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68737 Conor McCabe Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:08:45 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68737 I read Dunne's book a couple of years back, but haven't been back to 1798 since. Too stuck in the 19th/20th c. I read Dunne’s book a couple of years back, but haven’t been back to 1798 since. Too stuck in the 19th/20th c.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68736 Garibaldy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:45:08 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68736 I really should have left a better comment on that, but just didn't have the heart to go into it all in detail. It was quite amusing to hear Dunne and Whelan interact, and how tense things got fairly quickly over the sectarianism issue. I also thought the guy from the Commemorative Committee showed up his colours by comparing Wexford in 1798 to a modern African colonial situation. The fact that people in Ireland were not separated by an insuperable colour barrier seems to have passed him - and a lot of people working in a postcolonial framework- by entirely. The notion that sectarianism was magically injected into Irish politics by the state in the 1790s to combat the United Irishmen seems to me to undermine the argument that the United Irishmen were founded to fight a sectarian state. It smacks of desperation. I'm also amused that the people who insist most on the politicisation cannot allow themselves to admit that sectarianism was as much bottom up as top down. Having listened to this, the anger that comes out in Tom Dunne's Rebellions is much more understandable. Has Conor or anybody else here read it? A great book. I really should have left a better comment on that, but just didn’t have the heart to go into it all in detail. It was quite amusing to hear Dunne and Whelan interact, and how tense things got fairly quickly over the sectarianism issue. I also thought the guy from the Commemorative Committee showed up his colours by comparing Wexford in 1798 to a modern African colonial situation. The fact that people in Ireland were not separated by an insuperable colour barrier seems to have passed him - and a lot of people working in a postcolonial framework- by entirely. The notion that sectarianism was magically injected into Irish politics by the state in the 1790s to combat the United Irishmen seems to me to undermine the argument that the United Irishmen were founded to fight a sectarian state. It smacks of desperation. I’m also amused that the people who insist most on the politicisation cannot allow themselves to admit that sectarianism was as much bottom up as top down.

Having listened to this, the anger that comes out in Tom Dunne’s Rebellions is much more understandable. Has Conor or anybody else here read it? A great book.

]]> By: Conor McCabe http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68735 Conor McCabe Mon, 27 Oct 2008 18:08:59 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68735 Cheers Garibaldy. Cheers Garibaldy.

]]> By: Garibaldy http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68730 Garibaldy Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:15:28 +0000 http://dublinopinion.com/2008/10/27/vincent-browne-show-1998-special-on-1798-rebellion/#comment-68730 Thanks for this Conor. Good stuff. Thanks for this Conor. Good stuff.

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