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	<title>Comments on: If it&#8217;s M.E. and Your Grandson on Bongos, Then it&#8217;s The Fall</title>
	<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/</link>
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		<title>By: Sean Baite</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64774</link>
		<author>Sean Baite</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being able to stub out a cig on a Loaded journalist would almost induce me to take up smoking...
Is a lot of this discussion fuelled by the character out of 'Hey Student!' ???

Another fool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being able to stub out a cig on a Loaded journalist would almost induce me to take up smoking&#8230;<br />
Is a lot of this discussion fuelled by the character out of &#8216;Hey Student!&#8217; ???</p>
<p>Another fool</p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64745</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I was stuck over in the corner, so my tired wife could avail of the wall to lean against. She's not much for standing at gigs. I should have written the review as soon as possible after going to it, as I did thoroughly enjoy it and the band were very on form. I've been to Fall gigs where things were definitely more lackluster. 

But perhaps that lack of excitement that I usually get from Fall gigs was absent because like you, I wasn't in the thick of the crowd, and surrounded instead by the older, more experienced group. 

The fact that The Fall still attracts a steady stream of younger fans shows that Smith was right to keep on changing things around, every couple of years. I'm sure any band would kill to have Head Roll as their first album. I've been listening to it recently again and I think its incredible. Next time I'm going to get closer to the front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I was stuck over in the corner, so my tired wife could avail of the wall to lean against. She&#8217;s not much for standing at gigs. I should have written the review as soon as possible after going to it, as I did thoroughly enjoy it and the band were very on form. I&#8217;ve been to Fall gigs where things were definitely more lackluster. </p>
<p>But perhaps that lack of excitement that I usually get from Fall gigs was absent because like you, I wasn&#8217;t in the thick of the crowd, and surrounded instead by the older, more experienced group. </p>
<p>The fact that The Fall still attracts a steady stream of younger fans shows that Smith was right to keep on changing things around, every couple of years. I&#8217;m sure any band would kill to have Head Roll as their first album. I&#8217;ve been listening to it recently again and I think its incredible. Next time I&#8217;m going to get closer to the front.</p>
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		<title>By: John Green</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64730</link>
		<author>John Green</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donagh--

From our perspective up in the balcony, it looked like there were plenty of younger fans there; most of the bald heads were probably sat alongside (and among) us.

All the reviews I've read of the gig have been positive, but I saw them at Primavera in Barcelona last year and that gig was much better, although being in the thick of the crowd often influences my enjoyment of events, I find.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donagh&#8211;</p>
<p>From our perspective up in the balcony, it looked like there were plenty of younger fans there; most of the bald heads were probably sat alongside (and among) us.</p>
<p>All the reviews I&#8217;ve read of the gig have been positive, but I saw them at Primavera in Barcelona last year and that gig was much better, although being in the thick of the crowd often influences my enjoyment of events, I find.</p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64701</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 18:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not going to start defending Smith for his behaviour to journalists (its a bit like he treats them mean but still they're keen to talk to him etc). But I think this assessment from KPunk explains a lot about him and his attitude towards the band. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;The temptation to use Smith’s persona as a key to the songs was especially pressing because all pretence of democracy in the group has long since disappeared. By the time of Grotesque, it was clear that Smith was as much of an autocrat as James Brown, the band the zombie slaves of his vision. He is the shaman-author, the group the producers of a delirium-inducing repetition from which all spontaneity must be ruthlessly purged. ‘Don’t start improvising for Christ’s sake,’ goes a line on Slates, the 10” EP follow-up to Grotesque, echoing his chastisement of the band for ‘showing off’ on the live LP Totale’s Turns.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It explains a lot I think, and I wish I'd read it before writing my review of the gig, because it shows that Smith now has the type of band he's wanted from the beginning. There's a similarity here with how Beckett used actors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not going to start defending Smith for his behaviour to journalists (its a bit like he treats them mean but still they&#8217;re keen to talk to him etc). But I think this assessment from KPunk explains a lot about him and his attitude towards the band. </p>
<blockquote><p>The temptation to use Smith’s persona as a key to the songs was especially pressing because all pretence of democracy in the group has long since disappeared. By the time of Grotesque, it was clear that Smith was as much of an autocrat as James Brown, the band the zombie slaves of his vision. He is the shaman-author, the group the producers of a delirium-inducing repetition from which all spontaneity must be ruthlessly purged. ‘Don’t start improvising for Christ’s sake,’ goes a line on Slates, the 10” EP follow-up to Grotesque, echoing his chastisement of the band for ‘showing off’ on the live LP Totale’s Turns.</p></blockquote>
<p>It explains a lot I think, and I wish I&#8217;d read it before writing my review of the gig, because it shows that Smith now has the type of band he&#8217;s wanted from the beginning. There&#8217;s a similarity here with how Beckett used actors.</p>
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		<title>By: Niall</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64697</link>
		<author>Niall</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't see this gig but the description sounds exactly like his performance at Electric Picnic last year. The guy's just going through the motions, being carried by his backing band.

He has some cheek talking about his work ethic - playing a one-hour gig a night drunk ain't exactly hard labour.

Attacking a working journalist for being a middle management cunt and professing his working class credentials while he's a bone idle rock star just shows how deluded he is. He's in the entertainment business at the end of the day, providing a more niche opiate for the masses, doing pretty much the same thing Loaded do in fact. The man's a fool, even if he is an inspired one.

I don't know much about his politics but if anything he seems to have a Nietschean complex where he is the centre of the universe. 

Check this interview from 1989 out with him, Shane McGowan and Nick Cave:
http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme89.shtml</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t see this gig but the description sounds exactly like his performance at Electric Picnic last year. The guy&#8217;s just going through the motions, being carried by his backing band.</p>
<p>He has some cheek talking about his work ethic - playing a one-hour gig a night drunk ain&#8217;t exactly hard labour.</p>
<p>Attacking a working journalist for being a middle management cunt and professing his working class credentials while he&#8217;s a bone idle rock star just shows how deluded he is. He&#8217;s in the entertainment business at the end of the day, providing a more niche opiate for the masses, doing pretty much the same thing Loaded do in fact. The man&#8217;s a fool, even if he is an inspired one.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know much about his politics but if anything he seems to have a Nietschean complex where he is the centre of the universe. </p>
<p>Check this interview from 1989 out with him, Shane McGowan and Nick Cave:<br />
<a href="http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme89.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.shanemacgowan.com/articles/nme89.shtml</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64695</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duly noted, Stefan. I should fire the fact-checker. Curiously enough, when I put in '89 I had that niggling feeling that I was wrong, but laziness prevented me from double-checking it. Corrected now, Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duly noted, Stefan. I should fire the fact-checker. Curiously enough, when I put in &#8216;89 I had that niggling feeling that I was wrong, but laziness prevented me from double-checking it. Corrected now, Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64693</link>
		<author>Stefan</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pedant notes: that Loaded interview's from late 1997, not 1989.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A pedant notes: that Loaded interview&#8217;s from late 1997, not 1989.</p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64659</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further note. I was planning to write a long, no doubt ill-informed and boring post about Mark E. Smith and politics and how despite lyrics like the one I quoted from idiot Joy Land about the working classes getting shafted etc he's impossible to pin down politically. But its lucky I didn't because there's already a brilliant one on the topic on &lt;a href="http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/009039.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;K-Punk &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further note. I was planning to write a long, no doubt ill-informed and boring post about Mark E. Smith and politics and how despite lyrics like the one I quoted from idiot Joy Land about the working classes getting shafted etc he&#8217;s impossible to pin down politically. But its lucky I didn&#8217;t because there&#8217;s already a brilliant one on the topic on <a href="http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/009039.html" rel="nofollow">K-Punk </a></p>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64658</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 17:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you're going to swan off to Amerikay... 

To be honest though, if you've been to Fall gigs in the last couple of years this was no different. Or maybe its just what used to excite me does not, like I’ve used up my allowance of Fall-based experiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you&#8217;re going to swan off to Amerikay&#8230; </p>
<p>To be honest though, if you&#8217;ve been to Fall gigs in the last couple of years this was no different. Or maybe its just what used to excite me does not, like I’ve used up my allowance of Fall-based experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: jimkennedy</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/03/26/if-its-me-and-your-grandson-on-bongos-then-its-the-fall/#comment-64656</link>
		<author>jimkennedy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bastards the lot of ye. Sounds like I missed a cracker of a gig...
Jim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bastards the lot of ye. Sounds like I missed a cracker of a gig&#8230;<br />
Jim.</p>
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