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	<title>Comments on: The Spin Cycle: Why Do We Trust Irish Media So Much?</title>
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		<title>By: Donagh</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/02/22/the-spin-cycle-why-do-we-trust-irish-media-so-much/#comment-63878</link>
		<author>Donagh</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FPL, there seems to be a culture in Ireland of trusting not only banks in general, but the larger banks like AIB in particular. It seems contrary to common sense in Ireland to point out that these banks have very significant interests in maintaining the substantial gains in the property market and have very specific business reasons for talking things up. Now if we read such positive interpretations of a company such as AIB in the business section we can say that the article was paid for and the paper is happy to print as a form of advertisement. But when its printed in the editorial you can see that the paper has as much interest in selling it spin to it readers as the bank does. That is not to say that they won’t print the opinion of paid up commentators who row against the tide and its reassuring that there are people like Fell telling it how it is. 

Spot on Thiftcriminal. But I realize that many people who read stuff online or write blogs are aware of the manipulation in the media and how a paper like the Irish Times, for example, shares the same values and interests as big business and indeed a Fianna Fail government. If you relied on Fintan O’Toole’s opinion, expressed in the interview in &lt;a href="”http://www.mediabite.org/article_The-Corporate-Media---Part-2_219127101.html#”" rel="nofollow"&gt;Media Bite&lt;/a&gt;, which I linked to before, you would see nothing sinister in the way that certain powerful organizations have greater access and influence over the media than other lesser beings. That’s just how things work, and in terms of getting expert opinion there are advantages to this. Of course, the average newspaper reader doesn’t really get this and, as I pointed out above, generally trust the media to be telling us the unvarnished truth. 

Thanks for the link KevanB, it’s a really good blog, and one of its posts has given me an idea for another post on that most ordinary group of commodities known collectively as food. However, if they’re even half right about the situation we’re f**ked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FPL, there seems to be a culture in Ireland of trusting not only banks in general, but the larger banks like AIB in particular. It seems contrary to common sense in Ireland to point out that these banks have very significant interests in maintaining the substantial gains in the property market and have very specific business reasons for talking things up. Now if we read such positive interpretations of a company such as AIB in the business section we can say that the article was paid for and the paper is happy to print as a form of advertisement. But when its printed in the editorial you can see that the paper has as much interest in selling it spin to it readers as the bank does. That is not to say that they won’t print the opinion of paid up commentators who row against the tide and its reassuring that there are people like Fell telling it how it is. </p>
<p>Spot on Thiftcriminal. But I realize that many people who read stuff online or write blogs are aware of the manipulation in the media and how a paper like the Irish Times, for example, shares the same values and interests as big business and indeed a Fianna Fail government. If you relied on Fintan O’Toole’s opinion, expressed in the interview in <a href="”http://www.mediabite.org/article_The-Corporate-Media---Part-2_219127101.html#”" rel="nofollow">Media Bite</a>, which I linked to before, you would see nothing sinister in the way that certain powerful organizations have greater access and influence over the media than other lesser beings. That’s just how things work, and in terms of getting expert opinion there are advantages to this. Of course, the average newspaper reader doesn’t really get this and, as I pointed out above, generally trust the media to be telling us the unvarnished truth. </p>
<p>Thanks for the link KevanB, it’s a really good blog, and one of its posts has given me an idea for another post on that most ordinary group of commodities known collectively as food. However, if they’re even half right about the situation we’re f**ked.</p>
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		<title>By: KevanB</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/02/22/the-spin-cycle-why-do-we-trust-irish-media-so-much/#comment-63853</link>
		<author>KevanB</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 22:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If AIB is watching 8% of its total construction and property loan book, going on the figures above a total of 8,750 million to that sector, which is after all only a few times its annual profit then what happens if the property market dumps 25% of its value?   I think that is called a crisis of capatalism.  Or something.  You might be interested in the last few posts from http://thepriceofeverything.typepad.com/ which covers the latest news on the credit crunch from an asset managers view.  And you thought you are a gloomy soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If AIB is watching 8% of its total construction and property loan book, going on the figures above a total of 8,750 million to that sector, which is after all only a few times its annual profit then what happens if the property market dumps 25% of its value?   I think that is called a crisis of capatalism.  Or something.  You might be interested in the last few posts from <a href="http://thepriceofeverything.typepad.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thepriceofeverything.typepad.com/</a> which covers the latest news on the credit crunch from an asset managers view.  And you thought you are a gloomy soul.</p>
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		<title>By: Thriftcriminal</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/02/22/the-spin-cycle-why-do-we-trust-irish-media-so-much/#comment-63787</link>
		<author>Thriftcriminal</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 09:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The level of trust in the media can be manufactured in much the same way that supermarkets create an impression of value for money. Key indicators. So, for a supermarket they ensure that items like bread, milk, bananas (yeah, I don't know why this is one either, but it is) etc. are priced very competitively, then they can screw us on most other items. This exploits the fact that unless the consumer sits down to diligently analyze the reality of the situation they will attempt to gain insight through "rules of thumb". Similarly the media has to go to great lengths to ensure that the key stories of the time are treated in what appears to be a professional and accurate manner on an individual basis. If "joining the dots" does not suit the shadowy agenda, they can happily disregard such due diligence with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The level of trust in the media can be manufactured in much the same way that supermarkets create an impression of value for money. Key indicators. So, for a supermarket they ensure that items like bread, milk, bananas (yeah, I don&#8217;t know why this is one either, but it is) etc. are priced very competitively, then they can screw us on most other items. This exploits the fact that unless the consumer sits down to diligently analyze the reality of the situation they will attempt to gain insight through &#8220;rules of thumb&#8221;. Similarly the media has to go to great lengths to ensure that the key stories of the time are treated in what appears to be a professional and accurate manner on an individual basis. If &#8220;joining the dots&#8221; does not suit the shadowy agenda, they can happily disregard such due diligence with impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: FPL</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2008/02/22/the-spin-cycle-why-do-we-trust-irish-media-so-much/#comment-63729</link>
		<author>FPL</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice analysis. The anomaly in the IT reporting surely must be the mismatch between what has been loaned to property developers and what has been loaned to property purchasers. Surely there must be some link, but the Irish Times data shows there is a huge difference in the amount out to people building property when compared to those buying. 

I think when the dust settles on the whole property thing a lot of questions will be asked of the banks. Globally and locally they have driven the property bubble by lending to both the builders on the short term and converting that to long term loans to the purchasers. In Ireland they have been behind some of the appalling developments that we are stuck with.

On a final point Charlie Fell's "Serious Money" piece in the Times usually has the most coherent and sensible information in the whole business section, and it is no different today. He cautions people not to swallow the spin that everything is going to fine and back to normal (i.e. bubble conditions) in a couple of months. He says there is a lot more stuff to hit the fan. He says "Most commentators on this island believe that 'it is safe to go back in the water' but in shark-infested waters there's no need to be a hero-those who manage your money are in denial and continue to argue otherwise."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice analysis. The anomaly in the IT reporting surely must be the mismatch between what has been loaned to property developers and what has been loaned to property purchasers. Surely there must be some link, but the Irish Times data shows there is a huge difference in the amount out to people building property when compared to those buying. </p>
<p>I think when the dust settles on the whole property thing a lot of questions will be asked of the banks. Globally and locally they have driven the property bubble by lending to both the builders on the short term and converting that to long term loans to the purchasers. In Ireland they have been behind some of the appalling developments that we are stuck with.</p>
<p>On a final point Charlie Fell&#8217;s &#8220;Serious Money&#8221; piece in the Times usually has the most coherent and sensible information in the whole business section, and it is no different today. He cautions people not to swallow the spin that everything is going to fine and back to normal (i.e. bubble conditions) in a couple of months. He says there is a lot more stuff to hit the fan. He says &#8220;Most commentators on this island believe that &#8216;it is safe to go back in the water&#8217; but in shark-infested waters there&#8217;s no need to be a hero-those who manage your money are in denial and continue to argue otherwise.&#8221;</p>
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