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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#183; MICHAEL ZWEIG, CLASS, THE MEDIA, AND IRELAND</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-35566</link>
		<author>Dublin Opinion &#183; MICHAEL ZWEIG, CLASS, THE MEDIA, AND IRELAND</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] course, Irish media is not just journalism. Again, this topic has been brought up elsewhere, and here at other times. It&#8217;s an ongoing debate, and one with a lot of scope with regard to blogging. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] course, Irish media is not just journalism. Again, this topic has been brought up elsewhere, and here at other times. It&#8217;s an ongoing debate, and one with a lot of scope with regard to blogging. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#183; MODERN IRELAND: SHRIVELLED DRAGONS, HYSTERICAL ENERGY</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-34251</link>
		<author>Dublin Opinion &#183; MODERN IRELAND: SHRIVELLED DRAGONS, HYSTERICAL ENERGY</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 10:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-34251</guid>
		<description>[...] production of culture in Ireland is rarely, if ever, analyzed. Irish blogging has, at least, begun to tackle this topic, but outside of its world and more serious academic discourse, the story is a dead parrot. Picture [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] production of culture in Ireland is rarely, if ever, analyzed. Irish blogging has, at least, begun to tackle this topic, but outside of its world and more serious academic discourse, the story is a dead parrot. Picture [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; REVERIES OF A SOLITARY WALKER: BLESSINGTON STREET BASIN</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-26357</link>
		<author>Dublin Opinion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; REVERIES OF A SOLITARY WALKER: BLESSINGTON STREET BASIN</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 02:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it to under threat from anyone apart from ourselves. For a start, there&#8217;s the whole realm of Irish working class identity, something that we&#8217;ve only ever touched upon in the briefest of ways. There&#8217;s the Irish [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] it to under threat from anyone apart from ourselves. For a start, there&#8217;s the whole realm of Irish working class identity, something that we&#8217;ve only ever touched upon in the briefest of ways. There&#8217;s the Irish [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: sonofstan</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-23151</link>
		<author>sonofstan</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-23151</guid>
		<description>Martin's comment above got me thinking about something that has always intrigued me; a fair number of the important figures in Punk and post Punk music making in Britain were 2nd generation Irish working class - John Lydon, Kevin Rowlands, All of the Smiths, George O'Dowd, er, Oasis - whereas successful musicians from Ireland (26 counties, anyway) during the same period were almost exclusively middle class; form U2 downwards. Bands that did express a consciously working class perspective - preeminently The Blades - found themselves entirely at odds with what the domestic music business expected and suffered accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martin&#8217;s comment above got me thinking about something that has always intrigued me; a fair number of the important figures in Punk and post Punk music making in Britain were 2nd generation Irish working class - John Lydon, Kevin Rowlands, All of the Smiths, George O&#8217;Dowd, er, Oasis - whereas successful musicians from Ireland (26 counties, anyway) during the same period were almost exclusively middle class; form U2 downwards. Bands that did express a consciously working class perspective - preeminently The Blades - found themselves entirely at odds with what the domestic music business expected and suffered accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-23021</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-23021</guid>
		<description>What a powerful comment. Thanks Martin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a powerful comment. Thanks Martin.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Delaney</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-23013</link>
		<author>Martin Delaney</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-23013</guid>
		<description>Jean Paul Sartre spoke vehemently about the violence built into daily life, seeing and describing the systematic violence of capitalism and colonialism. Any analysis of working class life, whether it be in Ireland or England or anywhere else for that matter, in the city or in the country, is incomplete without mention of it.

I think back to my childhood, growing up in an Irish working class family in Birmingham during the late 1960â€™s and 1970â€™s.  While I wasnâ€™t aware of it at the time, the violence was everywhere: in the heated arguments between my parents (always about money, or the lack of it); the wallpaper which covered my bedroom (two pirates fighting over a pot of gold); in the news reports on telly (including the latest atrocities in Northern Ireland); the massive lay-offs in car plants across the country and the many strikes that ensued; history class at school, where I learned about the Kings and Queens of England and of the great war heroes (oh how the British love their war heroes!), all taught by a man by the name of Moran - I love the irony of it now; the adverts on telly that fooled me into believing I could have anything, be anything I wanted; the teachers who said Iâ€™d be nothing; the neighbours who hammered on the walls whenever we had a â€˜hooleyâ€™ in the house; the constant bullying at school by class mates and teachers; the phoney â€˜warsâ€™ we had with kids from neighbouring estates; and in the playground â€˜who wants to play, cowboys and indians?â€™; the life-size statue of the Jesus on the cross which hung in the church (for years, I thought it was real!); the IRA bombing campaign, in particular the Birmingham bombings of November 1974; and the policemen who came to the house, not once but twice to question my Dad â€“ because he was Irish, and every Irishman was a terrorist (â€˜Is Dad going to jail, Mum?â€™).

My conscientisation began proper in my early teens. Punk had a lot to do with it. I was 14 when I bought my first LP â€“ â€˜All Mod Consâ€™ by The Jam. On it is a song called â€˜Mr Clean.â€™ It goes: â€˜please donâ€™t forget me, or any of my kind / â€¦when I stick your face in the grime.â€™ Around this time, I went out on my first date with Delma Hudson, a girl from my class at school. We went to the cinema (canâ€™t remember the film we saw). Her Mum insisted on accompanying us. On the way home, she asked: â€˜where do you live?â€™ I told her I lived in a Council house. â€˜Oh,â€™ she said, â€˜youâ€™re only renting. Weâ€™re buying our house.â€™ The fuse was lit, and itâ€™s been burning ever since.

Being Catholic meant having to go to Mass, every week. After Mass, you met all your aunties and uncles and cousins outside the church. They are happy memories. Not so happy was when Dad told me I couldnâ€™t join the Boys Brigade. All my friends were in it. Oh, the innocence of childhood â€“ I wish I had it all over again. I see it in my ten year old son, and envy him.

By the way, have you read 'Tarry Flynn' by Patrick Kavanagh? It's set in rural Ireland. There was alot in the main character that I could recognise in myself, me a city dweller all my life. It's one book by an Irish author that has really affected me.

Cheers Conor - and thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean Paul Sartre spoke vehemently about the violence built into daily life, seeing and describing the systematic violence of capitalism and colonialism. Any analysis of working class life, whether it be in Ireland or England or anywhere else for that matter, in the city or in the country, is incomplete without mention of it.</p>
<p>I think back to my childhood, growing up in an Irish working class family in Birmingham during the late 1960â€™s and 1970â€™s.  While I wasnâ€™t aware of it at the time, the violence was everywhere: in the heated arguments between my parents (always about money, or the lack of it); the wallpaper which covered my bedroom (two pirates fighting over a pot of gold); in the news reports on telly (including the latest atrocities in Northern Ireland); the massive lay-offs in car plants across the country and the many strikes that ensued; history class at school, where I learned about the Kings and Queens of England and of the great war heroes (oh how the British love their war heroes!), all taught by a man by the name of Moran - I love the irony of it now; the adverts on telly that fooled me into believing I could have anything, be anything I wanted; the teachers who said Iâ€™d be nothing; the neighbours who hammered on the walls whenever we had a â€˜hooleyâ€™ in the house; the constant bullying at school by class mates and teachers; the phoney â€˜warsâ€™ we had with kids from neighbouring estates; and in the playground â€˜who wants to play, cowboys and indians?â€™; the life-size statue of the Jesus on the cross which hung in the church (for years, I thought it was real!); the IRA bombing campaign, in particular the Birmingham bombings of November 1974; and the policemen who came to the house, not once but twice to question my Dad â€“ because he was Irish, and every Irishman was a terrorist (â€˜Is Dad going to jail, Mum?â€™).</p>
<p>My conscientisation began proper in my early teens. Punk had a lot to do with it. I was 14 when I bought my first LP â€“ â€˜All Mod Consâ€™ by The Jam. On it is a song called â€˜Mr Clean.â€™ It goes: â€˜please donâ€™t forget me, or any of my kind / â€¦when I stick your face in the grime.â€™ Around this time, I went out on my first date with Delma Hudson, a girl from my class at school. We went to the cinema (canâ€™t remember the film we saw). Her Mum insisted on accompanying us. On the way home, she asked: â€˜where do you live?â€™ I told her I lived in a Council house. â€˜Oh,â€™ she said, â€˜youâ€™re only renting. Weâ€™re buying our house.â€™ The fuse was lit, and itâ€™s been burning ever since.</p>
<p>Being Catholic meant having to go to Mass, every week. After Mass, you met all your aunties and uncles and cousins outside the church. They are happy memories. Not so happy was when Dad told me I couldnâ€™t join the Boys Brigade. All my friends were in it. Oh, the innocence of childhood â€“ I wish I had it all over again. I see it in my ten year old son, and envy him.</p>
<p>By the way, have you read &#8216;Tarry Flynn&#8217; by Patrick Kavanagh? It&#8217;s set in rural Ireland. There was alot in the main character that I could recognise in myself, me a city dweller all my life. It&#8217;s one book by an Irish author that has really affected me.</p>
<p>Cheers Conor - and thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22723</link>
		<author>conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22723</guid>
		<description>Cheers John!</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22715</link>
		<author>John</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22715</guid>
		<description>Great post, Conor, although I'm not qualified to judge from personal experience.  However, on a tangential note, your family photograph is NOT entirely out of place in an account of British working-class life of the period.  Growing up in Birmingham in the 60s and 70s, I used to play league soccer every Sunday morning, and sometimes we'd get picked up opposite the Catholic church in Sparkhill just as everyone was leaving Mass and heading either home for lunch or into the pub next door.  The haricuts and lapels and flares in your photograph took me straight back to those Sunday mornings.  

The Irish community wasn't exactly ghettoised back then (my class at [grammar] school was arranged alphabetically, and I still remember the names of the lads sat around me:  Clarke, Duffy, Gannon, GREEN, Harkin, Hearne) but there was undoubtedly an Irish working-class home life that was unique in some of its features that was never as far as i can recall dramatized in the U.K., at least not in the 70s and 80s.  Since then, there's been Ken Loach's Raining Stones, of course, but there was no great inclination to treat the Irish working-class experience in England as something worth examining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Conor, although I&#8217;m not qualified to judge from personal experience.  However, on a tangential note, your family photograph is NOT entirely out of place in an account of British working-class life of the period.  Growing up in Birmingham in the 60s and 70s, I used to play league soccer every Sunday morning, and sometimes we&#8217;d get picked up opposite the Catholic church in Sparkhill just as everyone was leaving Mass and heading either home for lunch or into the pub next door.  The haricuts and lapels and flares in your photograph took me straight back to those Sunday mornings.  </p>
<p>The Irish community wasn&#8217;t exactly ghettoised back then (my class at [grammar] school was arranged alphabetically, and I still remember the names of the lads sat around me:  Clarke, Duffy, Gannon, GREEN, Harkin, Hearne) but there was undoubtedly an Irish working-class home life that was unique in some of its features that was never as far as i can recall dramatized in the U.K., at least not in the 70s and 80s.  Since then, there&#8217;s been Ken Loach&#8217;s Raining Stones, of course, but there was no great inclination to treat the Irish working-class experience in England as something worth examining.</p>
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		<title>By: Working Class Heroes? ... On Draw Breath</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22398</link>
		<author>Working Class Heroes? ... On Draw Breath</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 20:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22398</guid>
		<description>[...]Conor's probably quite correct that the Irish working classes haven't had been sufficiently represented in the national story (which is really centered on a romantic vision of small-town morality), but I think he's mistaken in his view of what's going on in England. What he's pretty much missing, in short, is politics.[...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;]Conor&#8217;s probably quite correct that the Irish working classes haven&#8217;t had been sufficiently represented in the national story (which is really centered on a romantic vision of small-town morality), but I think he&#8217;s mistaken in his view of what&#8217;s going on in England. What he&#8217;s pretty much missing, in short, is politics.[&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Conor McCabe</title>
		<link>http://dublinopinion.com/2007/06/19/this-is-ireland/#comment-22282</link>
		<author>Conor McCabe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course! Who do you think's funding my porn habit?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course! Who do you think&#8217;s funding my porn habit?</p>
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